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Former SWBTS Professor Suing SBC Seminary?

One of my former Hebrews professors, Sheri Klouda, who was dismissed from Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary because of the SBC’s conservative stance on the role of women and teaching men, is suing the seminary, according to a Christian Post article, dated April 12, 2007.

Several surprises leap out from this article:

  • Why, indeed if Sheri Klouda is correct, would the seminary put themselves in a situation where it would seem that she might be given a permanent tenure teaching position?  After all, when I was a student at SWBTS and Sheri Klouda was a PhD candidate, she was my Hebrews professor, which I was very confused at that time why she was allowed to teach.
  • The claim by SWBTS as having a “momentary lax in parameters” is a stinging indictment on themselves that I hope the seminary has learned. Because the seminary, even for a brief moment, did become complacent on their watch, they are now expending unnecessary SBC and SWBTS funds on lawsuit, litigation, etc. that could be better spent on more Kingdom-focused areas had they been wiser and more careful from the start.
  • Why would Sheri Klouda sue?  What is she hoping to get out of it?  Her job back?  The respect from future ministers because she exercised and attained her “rights” through secular court? While SWBTS did made a mistake (a significant mistake, in my opinion) in their “momentary lax in parameters,” there is no excuse or reason to take them to secular court unless it was criminal, unethical, or immoral (e.g. she was terminated because of her ethnicity or her marital status, or she caught the seminary in some scandalous fraud and they fired her to hush her up, etc.).

Now, the real question is:  Is her termination due to her gender unethical? The liberal will respond, “Yes;” the Reformed and the Conservative will say, “No.”

Here’s the full Christian Post article:

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A month after a former Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary professor filed suit against the school for her dismissal because of her gender, the seminary filed a motion to dismiss the lawsuit.

SWBTS cited the relationship between the school and its professors the same as that between a church and its ministers.

“Any decision the Seminary may make regarding the employment of one of its professors is an ecclesiastical decision, which this Court is bound to accept out of deference for the free exercise of religion, protected by the First Amendment,” stated the seminary, according to Baptist Press.

The motion was filed on Apr. 9 with the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas to dismiss allegations by Sheri L. Klouda who sued for breach of contract, fraud and defamation.

Klouda, now teaching at Taylor University in Upland, Ind., had taught Hebrew at SWBTS since 2002 until her contract was terminated last December. Alluding to the Southern Baptist statement of faith which limits the pastorate to men, Southwestern trustee chairman Van McClain said women should not teach men in theology or biblical languages. Women at Southwestern do teach music and other classes at the seminary, he noted. The chairman also argued that Klouda “did not have tenure.”

Instruction of future pastors is limited to men, said seminary president Paige Patterson.

“I don’t think it was right to hire me to do this job, to put me in the position where I, in good faith, assumed that I was working toward tenure, and then suddenly remove me without any cause other than gender,” said Klouda, according to The Associated Press.

Klouda had alleged in her suit that Patterson assured her that her position as a Hebrew professor was secure. The seminary, however, argued the claim of an oral contract “lacks sufficient definition” under Texas law, the Baptist Press reported.

The female professor also alleged she was informed she would not get tenure because she was “a mistake that the trustees needed to fix,” according to the lawsuit. Moreover, McClain had called Klouda’s hiring a “momentary lax of parameters” of the seminary, according to AP.

In its motion for dismissal, the seminary said the alleged statement, “when construed in the context of Plaintiff’s claim, are capable of being proved true or false. A claim of defamation does not exist in the absence of a false statement.”

Klouda had been hired for the tenure-track position when Ken Hemphill was president of the seminary. Hemphill told Dallas Morning News that at that time, “there was not a policy where [women] would not be able to teach church history or the [biblical] languages.” Patterson became president in 2003 after Hemphill resigned.

Meanwhile, McClain told the local newspaper earlier this year that he does not know of “any women teaching in any of the SBC (Southern Baptist Convention) seminaries presently in the area of theology or biblical languages.

“In my estimation all of the seminaries have sought to be more consistent with most Southern Baptists’ understanding of Scripture on the matter.”

While Klouda requested a trial by jury, the seminary requested in its motion to dismiss the suit “such other and further relief, at law or in equity, to which it may be justly entitled.”

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3/22/08 Update: And the judge’s final decision has been made, and has been posted here.

April 12, 2007 - Posted by Will | 2007 Archive, Christian Living, Culture, Ecclesiology, Gender Issues, Leadership, Southern Baptist Affairs, Theology | | 8 Comments

8 Comments »

  1. I think most would find your assertion that only “liberals” would find Klousa’s firing unethical an appeal to “name-calling” to prove a point. After all, even conservative Dallas Theological Seminary has gone on record as stating that they do not share SWBTS’ position that women cannot hold a professorship position in an academic setting.

    There are few voices even in conservative circles that attempt to justify SWBTS’ actions in firing Klousa. So, you assertion that only “liberals” would find the firing unethical is demonstrably false.

    Comment by RedFox | April 28, 2007 | Reply

  2. Thanks RedFox. I certainly appreciate you pointing out a faulty concluding argument I had made.

    I would then revise it to say:

    Of course, the real question being raised is: Was her termination due to her gender unethical?

    The liberals and moderates would respond, “yes,” and the Conservatives would be mixed. But the Reformed would say, “No.”

    Thanks, again, RedFox.

    Comment by Will | April 28, 2007 | Reply

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  4. Hey, Will. I don’t want to take you to task too much over this, but I have a hard time seeing how her firing was not unethical. Furthermore, I have several Reformed friends (I’m not Reformed) who agree, so I don’t understand why being reformed in your theology should affect your sense of justice.

    Sheri was first told she would be given tenure and so her and her family purchased a home in the area. Her husband is disabled and unable to work, so her income is the sole financial source for her whole family.

    Less than a year after the purchase of that home, which was only bought after she was assured of tenure, the Seminary said she would be dismissed.

    As of early 2007, Klouda’s house had still not sold, providing them with great financial hardship since she been forced out of a job, fired only because of her gender.

    I don’t see how this is not unethical. I understand that you and many people who attend Southwestern don’t believe that she should teach men. Fine. Then don’t hire her and then fire her after she feels like her job is secure.

    That, my friend, is the very definition of unethical business practices, and I’m glad that Klouda is suing. By her legal actions there is a chance that Southwestern will think more carefully in the future and not have a “momentary lax in parameters.”

    I hope this didn’t come off as anger. I’m sure you’re a wonderful guy; I just strongly disagree with you on this issue.

    Comment by Josh | August 19, 2007 | Reply

  5. Thanks Josh for sharing your thoughts on the matter. I think there are three issues at stake here. So please allow me to distinguish them separately.

    Issue #1: Sheri Klouda being terminated because she’s a woman. From the Reformed perspective, she should never have even been considered for employment in the first place. On this, SWBTS’s made a bad mistake, but they corrected the matter by terminating her. Terminating Dr. Klouda is not an issue of ethics but an issue of doctrine (Gospel truth). Look through the faculty listings of strongly Reformed seminaries (e.g. Westminster, RTS, Southern, etc.), women teachers in the theology department do not exist. Look through the faculty listings in more liberal and mainline seminaries (e.g. Princeton, Yale, etc.) women theology professors proliferate. Now, SWBTS is not a Reformed seminary; so that greatly contributed to the negative reaction. If this was at WTS or RTS, well… the “if” doesn’t exist because these seminaries would have never hired any woman in their theology departments in the first place. (What I just said isn’t politically correct in our contemporary culture, but Issue #1 is not about political correctness. It’s about biblical truth, and the convictions on it.)

    Issue #2: SWBTS’s handling of the termination. While Issue #1 is the “Truth” issue, Issue #2 is the “Grace” issue. Did SWBTS handle the termination with grace? This is something I do not have an inside information. I have to confess that I am giving SWBTS the benefit of the doubt that they did give Dr. Klouda some form of a grace-period and a generous severance package to assist with finances. Certainly, if SWBTS did not give Dr. Klouda any grace-period or severance package, than SWBTS should have done so out of a spirit of love and grace.

    Issue #3: Dr. Klouda suing SWBTS. Deut 25:1 allows us to take disputes to court to acquit the innocent and condemn the guilty. The New Testament application of this O.T. passage is clearly directed to three institutions ordained by God, Himself: parents (Eph 6:1-4), secular government (Rom 13:1-7) and the local church (1 Cor 6:1-6).

    Concerning the first institution (parents), children are to take their disputes to their parents, who have the authority from God to pass judgment over them for the purpose of raising them to be godly and to fear the Lord. Well, obviously, this institution is non-applicable to this case.

    Concerning the second institution (secular government), Rom 13 instructs Christians to obey secular justice, including taking to court fellow Christians who may have conducted or behaved criminally.

    On non-criminal issues, the court system discussed in Deut 25 falls on the shoulders of the third institution: local church(es) (1 Cor 6). Where Dr. Klouda should have raised her concerns is not the secular court of Texas to handle this, but she should have raised the issue to her church’s pastor and elders. The pastor and elders of her church should then contact all individuals involved (e.g. Dr. Patterson, board members, etc.) and ask for their respective church leadership. Then the pastors/elders of all respective churches should convene together to discuss and pass judgement on the affair, admonish those who need admonishment, pray for the Spirit to convict any unrepentant hearts, and decide on a course of action that the seminary and Dr. Klouda should go.

    Let’s remember that SWBTS is accountable to both the secular law AND to the local churches. I think this is the better place than the secular court to handle this issue for the sake of seeing the display of Christ’s authority and glory.

    Now, is it too idealistic and not realistic to think that all respective church pastors and elders of all represented individuals would even have the desire to convene together for this purpose? Maybe. Is it too idealistic and not realistic to think that the seminary will submit themselves, in this case, to such a council of local church leaderships’ judgment if they were to approach the matter this way? I hope not.

    Josh, thanks for sharing your thoughts on the matter. Differing opinions and thoughts under the graceful spirit of Christ are always welcome on my site. And I’m sure you too are a wonderful brother-in-Christ. It does sadden me concerning Dr. Klouda’s situation, and trust me when I say this: I can truly relate with Dr. Klouda’s situation. I will not discuss the details here of what I mean by that. But if you wish to discuss this in further detail, feel free to email me at the contact link provided in the “About Me” section. I will be glad to discuss this more with you in private.

    May the Lord comfort you, and bring peace between Dr. Klouda and SWBTS.

    Comment by Will | August 19, 2007 | Reply

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  7. Commenting extremely late, but today was the first I’d seen this entry on the matter . . .

    So Patterson told her her job was secure. Lying isn’t illegal. But it is unethical.

    I don’t agree that she, teaching Hebrew to men in a seminary, was in violation of Scripture, for Scripture gives examples of upright women occasionally instructing men who were leaders. So I disagree that she was in violation of gospel truth.

    I’m inclined to agree with the dismissal of the case, though.

    Comment by Lynn | April 28, 2008 | Reply

  8. Well, lying under certain circumstances (e.g. in court, to law enforcement, etc.) is illegal because you can be thrown in jail.

    In the case of the dialogue between Patterson and Klouda, the problem is that it isn’t in written documentation. For legal standing, oral confirmations are difficult to substantiate. The proof has to be furnished by Klouda, not by Patterson. So to call Patterson a liar has to be proven. And without substantial evidence, we shouldn’t jump to the conclusion that Patterson lied. Maybe Klouda is the one who is lying. We just don’t know.

    Comment by Will | May 23, 2008 | Reply


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